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Aug 31 14 11:30 AM
hi all
I love the interest in the mysterious " hoodoo " set....it does not go away...Robert great reply my friend sums it up really.
steve from England.
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blackdiamond wrote:hi all I know this is an old topic....but has john fogerty still got these tracks somewhere in his studio ?... we know he told asylum to destroy the original masters in the 80s....he was quoted as saying he might re- write or re-do these songs someday...which tells me he still has them.....how would he re-do them....?????......he must know that as fans its a topic that will not go away. steve from England.
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Rusty Ford wrote:I like Hoodoo. Certainly not among JCF's best, but not a complete flop - as far as the songs go. I think Robert explained it well - similar to my feelings. I sure wish we had the finished product to listen to. The bad copies make it difficult to judge properly, but here are some of my thoughts on it:In my humble opinion, the album lacked Fogerty's usual passion for perfection - in it's production, arrangement and mix. It seems as though maybe he rushed it, or did not put his total effort into it. I think it would have been better if he had used other musicians - drummer and bassist - and had others doing the recording and mixing. I'm not sure about the details on recording of the LP...was it recorded solely by Fogerty in his own studio? Was it done in a studio with a good reputation? Who was the engineer? It is my assumption that he did everything. Am I not correct in that assumption?Some of the songs were really not bad - and even good, at least to my taste. I liked Telephone, On the Run, Between the Lines, the covers, and I even liked You Got the Magic a LOT. But, the finished product was sub-par. To sum up, I think the album needed about two more good songs, and it needed major improvement in the mixing, producing, and arrangement part of the process.I'll say this - I listen to those songs more than I listen to the Eye of the Zombie and Centerfield LPs, and the second Blue Ridge Rangers project - which for my taste was Fogerty's worst album ever.
The following may answer your questions.
Posted the below information on the various incarnations of the official John Fogerty websites over the years whenever the Hoodoo album topic arose, since I received this email message reply from Russ Gary back in 2005 regarding Hoodoo, along with lots of other interesting subjects discussed with Russ relating to JCF/CCR.
Russ Gary: “During the period after departing Fantasy, JC was continuing his one-man-band recordings and had concluded his first album "John Fogerty" for Asylum Records. I was not involved in that project.
A short time later JC graciously invited me to join his organization. JC and I recorded the Asylum single, "You Got The Magic" b/w "Evil Thing" at Wally Heider's. Probably, those masters remain with the label(s) that own the rights to them.
Afterward, the songs for which would have been the remainder of what would have been the "Hoodoo" album were recorded by JC and I at Heider's. I believe stereo mixes were left with Asylum.
After being told by Joe Smith at Asylum that he believed JC could make a better album, JC and I spent a couple of hours in Wally Heider's office destroying the multi-track masters and the quarter-inch mixes of the songs with razor blades.
While some bootleg copies of rough mixes surfaced, the one-dimensional sounding album was obviously never released.”
THE STEVE
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“Nobody writes songs about hoodoo, voodoo and the bayoo like Johndoo so well.” - Rabbit, 2004
Sep 3 14 1:47 AM
hi fogerty freeks
Well my post has caught the imagination again for this legendary unreleased "hoodoo" album,some of the post have been fascinating to read certainly the russ gary comments....I believe somewhere there is an acetate out there, john fogerty stays really quiet on this subject these days...he knows it causes a great deal of debate with his fans....but I say this again john fogertys quote was " I might re-do or re-write some of those songs again the old " hoodoo" album was not that good. but as rabbit 20 says this album is being sold on e-bay ....no royalties for john c fogerty....so if the album technically does not exist nobody owns those songs ,????????
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Sep 3 14 10:49 AM
hi micio / Robert
Very good point micio it would not be in there interest to destroy all the material.....just imagine if asylum found a master for the " hoodoo " studio set, and Robert my friend what would your reaction be if one of those reels was " hoodoo " ?......but what about john fogerty in all this ....perhaps he should ask his management what they think about "hoodoo" ?
steve from england
Sep 5 14 5:17 AM
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Sep 5 14 8:07 AM
I have never commented on 'Hoodoo' before.Maybe now is the time, maybe not..
I think John was perfectly right not to release it. It is nowhere near the quality of material we have come to expect from him and some of the tracks were paying lip service to the Disco craze that was peaking around 1976. And John Fogerty is the complete opposite of Disco. He was right to bin it.
It was only four years earlier that Mardi Gras was reviewed as 'possibly the worst album ever released by a major band' That must have hurt JF whatever the behind the scenes acrimony attached to that recording. If Hoodoo had hit the streets, I reckon it would have attracted a similar response from the critics, and maybe driven John away from the music business altogether. It was a long nine years before the triumphant Centerfield, but I think that and subsequent albums would never have seen the light of day if his artistic integrity had taken a hammering again from the critics.
So leave Hoodoo where it is, in the many poor copies doing the rounds. Not everything that becomes legendary actually deserves it.
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